The Gaming Den

Indeed. You really should feel bad about that. I would.

I kind of love that the Den's Right-Wing arm thinks that blog posts by anonymous nobodies counts as proof or support for anything.

To top it off, the few things that are by respected sources are also wildly off-topic so it's like they are pretending to be mentally ill for comedic effect.

I mean, it's almost like they want us to not respect anything they say. It's like they are doing us a favor by arguing in the most incompetent way as a means of boosting our egos.

Adorable.

Gx1080 wrote:Norway is a mixed system, meanwhile Denmark:

You seriously have no idea what the dirty liberal socialists in America actually advocate, do you?

P.S., you seriously just pointed at a website called socialismdoesntwork. You are a tool. And it uses a lot of bullshit numbers that play to your stupidity: like the fact that the average Denmark wage is less. Do you know what else is less in Denmark? The costs (and risks) of living. Oh? Taxes are higher? Do you know what else is higher? Insurance coverage. None of that shit means what you think it means.

Gx1080 wrote:>Losing Customers
>Good

Customers are the kind of things you can magic out of thin air when you are a tyrannical government. You declare yourself a customer, and then you make people produce inane shit at gunpoint and if you seriously don't care about it you can burn it all instead of exporting it, and with a sufficiently good PR campaign and loyal populace you'll be fine. The only actual concern is what the import situation will look like, because they are not a self-sufficient economy (no one is). But that will mostly be fine, whatever happens.

You can have a functional economy that pays surplus workers to make things, and then set them on fire. You pay them with the surplus things you were already making. It's kind of pointless, but you can do it and it gives you high employment and real economic growth (even if you won't use it). And it's totally sustainable.

@K

Funny, haven't met a leftie that isn't a self-righteous asshole.

@DSMatticus

Economies need both production and consumption. That's, like, basic math. Are you sure that you should be posting on a forum instead of atending your NCLB classes?

I haven't met anyone that wasn't a self-righteous asshole. And GX is doing nothing to challenge my preconceived notions about that.

Sure, I can say that all conservatives are self-righteous assholes, but that's not fair to single them out. It's like singling them out for breathing, or enjoying being spanked by a chubby Korean chick dressed like Batman (or is that just me?).

Aha!

I think we can link this:

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: It's like singling them out for breathing, or enjoying being spanked by a chubby Korean chick dressed like Batman (or is that just me?).

With this:

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: None of the sex I've had was in any way worth the effort it takes to obtain it.

And say:

If we could find you a chubby Korean girl with a batman outfit and BDSM tendencies, we could totally get you more excited about life, sex and everything.

I've totally got it all figured out, Count.

Gx1080 wrote:Economies need both production and consumption. That's, like, basic math. Are you sure that you should be posting on a forum instead of atending your NCLB classes?

Consumption is another word for "someone asks for shit, and (usually) offers you shit in return." Do you see how, in the example I provided, the government was asking for shit, and in return they were not shooting you in the head and giving you surplus wealth from the production end of things? That's consumption. If I buy an iPhone to put it in a blender, I have still consumed something.

Defense spending creates jobs, and the vast majority of defense budget toys never get used. They sit there and look cool because America fuck yeah and that's it. It's money in a blender. We could just as easily have them build super-complicated Rube Goldberg machines for our amusement. Or we could have them build infrastructure, and then pay people to set that infrastructure on fire, and then pay people to clean it up, and then pay people to rebuild that infrastructure. Or do something smart, but people seem ideologically opposed to intelligent decisions, so...

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:It's like singling them out for breathing, or enjoying being spanked by a chubby Korean chick dressed like Batman (or is that just me?).

You provide the best quotes, Count. Even if you should become happy in some enlightened cosmic sense, never change your posting style.

K wrote:I kind of love that the Den's Right-Wing arm thinks that blog posts by anonymous nobodies counts as proof or support for anything.

To be fair, Crissa was known to do that kind of shit, or, much more commonly, not cite sources at all and then act insulted when she was asked to.

Not saying the Right is right, but rather that they aren't alone.

Game On,
fbmf

fbmf wrote:

K wrote:I kind of love that the Den's Right-Wing arm thinks that blog posts by anonymous nobodies counts as proof or support for anything.

To be fair, Crissa was known to do that kind of shit, or, much more commonly, not cite sources at all and then act insulted when she was asked to.

Not saying the Right is right, but rather that they aren't alone.

Game On,
fbmf

Maybe, but my point stands: our entire Right arm doesn't seem to be able to support what they say.

That's amusing even if you don't try to erroneously draw any conclusions from the tiny sample size.

fbmf wrote: Not saying the Right is right,

I just found this amusing.

fbmf wrote:To be fair, Crissa was known to do that kind of shit

And to be fair by my memory that is a gross misrepresentation of those events.

Same thing happened to me around the same time.

The righties got pissed that people around here had pulled the "bullshit, cite your sources" thing on them.

They started demanding everyone site all sources for everything.

We are talking some serious "the sky is blue hey? Citation Needed!".

I don't mind citing sources for obscure things, sometimes when I feel like it I will cite sources for basic knowledge. But this is a casual discussion board and I don't feel the need to prove everything ever when some things SHOULD be common knowledge and CAN and should be researched under your own personal interest with less than five minutes on Google.

And that seems to be a major difference here. Generally when Crissa got offended about citing sources you COULD find them with five minutes on Google.

Generally every time I've ever spent five minutes googling some bat shit thing Tzor mentions what I inevitably find isn't the sources he learned it from, but large amounts of material that blatantly refutes everything he just said.

I mean just off the top of my head there was that time he said how his local anti abortionists were so nice and polite and not part of the terrorist crowd... when they basically invented clinic fire bombing, death threat leaflets and abortion doctor assassination attempts.

Or that time he said how EU environmental regulation was stiffling the computer server industry and driving it out of Europe... with what turned out to be a purely voluntary "self help club" which merely encouraged companies to set their own goals on saving electricity and money.

This does not however at all motivate me to be anything other than offended if someone challenged me for making an unsourced claim that Carbon Dioxide is a green house gas.

OK, just so we are on the same page, the Scandinavian countries are more communist by objective measures than the Soviet Union ever was. Lower GINI Coefficient, end of fucking story. So if the right wing has to cry about how they are "mixed" economies and don't count as economic leftism, then no other country does either.

Now let's look at the most objective assessment of freedom: the Press Freedoms index:

Oh look, those dirty northern socialists are freer than we are.
Now let's look at the Human Development Index. Oh look, Norway is at the top and the US is 4th.
Now let's look at Life Expectancy. Oh wait, let's not, because the US comes in at fucking 36th in that, so they are not only beaten by every Scandinavian country, but by most of the first world and even hangers-on countries like Costa Rica. Or we could look at the Satisfaction Index, where we find Denmark in the number one position and the US in the 23rd. We could check for financial stability, by say Bond Risk, where the safest bonds are Norwegian with Sweden, Finland and Denmark all in the top ten and the US at number 14.

By every objective measure, Scandinavia is more socialist than any other region and also doing better than any other region. Unless you really value military power per capita, in which case number one is North Korea.

-Username17

fbmf wrote:

Count wrote: enjoying being spanked by a chubby Korean chick dressed like Batman (or is that just me?).

To be fair, Crissa was known to do that kind of shit, or, much more commonly, not cite sources at all and then act insulted when she was asked to.

Not saying the Right is right, but rather that they aren't alone.

Game On,
fbmf

I read the post from bottom up (I do that, dunno why), and that is how my mind filled in the blanks for me with as I read onward.

Carry on.

PL wrote:The righties got pissed that people around here had pulled the "bullshit, cite your sources" thing on them.

They started demanding everyone site all sources for everything.

Bullshit, cite your sources.

By the right wing's definition even Switzerland is socialist - after all, we have mandatory healthcare, and everyone legally allowed to stay will get the money needed to survive (though at a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person).

PhoneLobster wrote:

fbmf wrote:To be fair, Crissa was known to do that kind of shit

And to be fair by my memory that is a gross misrepresentation of those events.

Same thing happened to me around the same time.

The righties got pissed that people around here had pulled the "bullshit, cite your sources" thing on them.

They started demanding everyone site all sources for everything.

We are talking some serious "the sky is blue hey? Citation Needed!".

I don't mind citing sources for obscure things, sometimes when I feel like it I will cite sources for basic knowledge. But this is a casual discussion board and I don't feel the need to prove everything ever when some things SHOULD be common knowledge and CAN and should be researched under your own personal interest with less than five minutes on Google.

About half way down the page, when I asked for a cite, Crissa cites a blog and then acts all offended that the blog isn't taken as gospel.

So I'm now part of the right wing conspiracy?

Game On,
fbmf

Fuchs wrote:a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person

CatharzGodfoot wrote:

Fuchs wrote:a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person

Well, 1100 a month isn't a ton of disposable income.

But I freely admit that your idea of a 'low standard of living' beats the hell our of our idea of 'low standard of living' and should be more widely adopted.

Fuchs wrote:By the right wing's definition even Switzerland is socialist - after all, we have mandatory healthcare, and everyone legally allowed to stay will get the money needed to survive (though at a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person).

Take away your rent and medical expenses, and about $150 bucks and you've hit my standard of living. Not bad by the standards of most of the world, but I can't say I'm having a very good time on it . It's low enough that having a woman leave me for a guy that makes more money is actually a very real thing that has happened to me multiple times.

Fuchs wrote:By the right wing's definition even Switzerland is socialist - after all, we have mandatory healthcare, and everyone legally allowed to stay will get the money needed to survive (though at a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person).

Yeah, when the U.S. says socialist, we mean something completely different and pretty stupid compared to the rest of the world. It's the whole narrative thing. We like to pretend capitalism made us super-awesome and that the government has no role in anything and its mere existence is an affront to the free market gods. According to conservatives in this part of the world, pretty much everything in the world is socialist. And by the standard we've got it's not "even Switzerland is socialist," it's "Switzerland is especially socialist." We have diluted the term into meaninglessness.

And your dirty liberal social safety net standards are fantastic. I think your bare minimum is better than our bottom 20-30%. Possibly more, depending on what exactly rent/medical expenses entails.

By US conservative standards, our ideal government is...Somalia. Look at how industrial those pirates are, forming their own corporations! No government regulation or taxation there, no sir! You keep what you earn, as long as you have enough guns to keep it.

I recall the story of the Somali woman who received a rocket-propelled grenade as part of an alimony payment and invested it in a pirate cruise. So bootstrappy!

Maxus wrote:

CatharzGodfoot wrote:

Fuchs wrote:a low standard of living - basically 1100 bucks a month, plus rent and medical expenses are covered, for a single person

Well, 1100 a month isn't a ton of disposable income.

But I freely admit that your idea of a 'low standard of living' beats the hell our of our idea of 'low standard of living' and should be more widely adopted.

What Fuchs describes is pretty much exactly what my wife and I live on together. Except the government pays it only very indirectly.

Blasted wrote:Aha!

I think we can link this:

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: It's like singling them out for breathing, or enjoying being spanked by a chubby Korean chick dressed like Batman (or is that just me?).

With this:

Count Arioch the 28th wrote: None of the sex I've had was in any way worth the effort it takes to obtain it.

And say:

If we could find you a chubby Korean girl with a batman outfit and BDSM tendencies, we could totally get you more excited about life, sex and everything.

I've totally got it all figured out, Count.

Naw, you've only gotten as far as I have. I know what will cheer me up, it's finding it that's the problem...